Sunday Hunting

I posted this to my All things Krista blog today and felt it should be included in Blue Ridge Pony

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Daisy Dog and I wear high-vis vests in the woods, even on Sundays

Currently there is a bill going through Virginia politics that would open the state to hunting on Sundays, which is currently not permitted.  Many people are opposed to this because Sunday is the only day during a large portion of the year (as you can see on the calendar) that is safe for people to take part in non hunting outdoor activities like hiking, bird watching, mountain biking, horse riding, etc.

I am a very active Virginia trail rider and enjoy spending Sundays in the forest with my dog and my pony.  I sent emails to the pertinent people in regards to this bill politely expressing my concern and was pleased to receive a response from several of them thanking me for my opinion.

The proposed bill to allow Sunday hunting made it through the senate in January.  Today the VA House of Delegates’ bill on Sunday Hunting died in committee by unanimous vote.  Which is great.  But the House still needs to vote down the bill the Senate passed. 

The Virginia Horse council put out this really neat calendar that shows all of the hunting days in Virginia. 

*Looking at the VA hunting guidelines, it is apparent that the VA Horse Council left off some hunting days on the calendar.  There is a spring squirrel season that runs into June and also a few other days that were missed throughout the calendar. 

*I do support hunting and I understand and agree with its need.  I just want to be able to enjoy the forest as well. 

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Report from All Things Krista  http://allthingskrista.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/hunting-on-sundays/

Interaction with the Forest Service

After a few calls I managed to speak with someone at the local, North River Forest Service Disctrict office.  WOO!  I had a list of question, some of which I forgot in my excitement to speak to someone, but I got a couple answered. 

The two fire road turn offs, 536F & C at Bear Trap are most likely the two places I feel they are.  They were probably used for logging and that area has not been logged in 10 or 20 years so they were closed up so people couldn’t drive on them.  They are still available to be used but are not being maintained.  He also went on to tell me that on my horse I can ride any and everywhere I choose in the forest, I just can’t clear trails or bring my chainsaw, but to enjoy myself and explore where ever I want. 

Next I asked him about trail 439 that had the wooden signs taken down and now has the green tree tags.  He told me that the local bicycle club got permission to put up the green tags (they have SVBC Shenandoah Valley Bicycle Club on them! Duh Krista!) on trails they are working on and maintaining.  He said the FS is no longer putting up the wooden signs because of people vandalizing them and they are putting up metal signs that are made just like street signs, but they are still brown.  He said they get stolen or kicked down and thrown into the woods all the time.  He is going to pass on to the appropriate person that the signs are not up for that trail any longer too. 

I was so thrilled to talk to someone who was happy (or at least sounded like he was) to talk to me, and truly helpful!  He didn’t just answer my questions but elaborated and really tried to give me useful information.  He knew exactly what area, fire roads and trail I was talking about right away and he didn’t make me feel stupid or like a burden or anything.  It was fantastic.  His name was something like Christopher or something Chris sounding.  Or so that’s what I heard the receptionist call him. 

I had meant to ask about the gates being opened and what the schedule is for that, and what the criteria was for some gates to be open versus others.   And if I am ok to drive up in there in my truck or horse trailer (assuming there is turn around space for the trailer), if they check before locking the gates. 

Anyway, it was a really exciting and positive interaction, and since there have been strained relations with the local FS and the local riders/trail users lately, it made me feel even better about it. 

*To the best of my knowledge, the main issues with the local FS has been more in, what I think is the Lee District area, centered around Cub Run and Catherine’s Furnace. 

Trail Report: Bear Trap Fire Road #536C

Where’s That Fire Road UPDATE

Trail Report: Bear Trap exploration – the first fire road #536C

January 8, 2012

I think I found the first fire road and I spent my day exploring it.  I have drawn in the trails I talk about below in the locations I think they are to the best of my non-artistic ability. 

I had the map out as I went up the main fire road and I followed it as closely as possible.  Just before the first bend in the FR is a slight trail to the left.  This is where I had originally thought the first fire road turn might be, but it was just a short trail that went a little ways and then trickled into more of a hunters foot path.  Up to that point it was a nice little trail though, rather clear and easy to navigate.  I saw boot prints and other signs (trash) of recent use. 

This trail is now marked on the map above in black sharpie. 

I continued on the main FR through a few more bends and curves which are not designated on the map and I came to a pull over on the left.  It had recently been used, and there were even signs of horse trailer parking (small dustings of horse poo that clearly came out of a trailer).  A dead rotting deer carcass, some other odd dumped debris including what appeared to be some type of upholstered vehicle seat. 

When facing this pull over, to the left side of it is a trail.  I took this trail and it was very clear and prominent but after a very short distance it evaporated and is clearly used by hunters and probably no one else. 

But to the right of this pull over are a couple berms, some large, that sort of face out in two directions.  I *believe* this is the first fire road turn FR536C.  I headed up it and followed well cut trails over and around the berms and followed a trail with a slight incline.  It is the width of a fire road, but heavily over grown with small trees and bushes.  The trail that cuts through them is well defined and clearly used.  I saw boot and hoof prints on this trail, several clipped back and broken back branches at rider height, and it was clear enough to get in a bit of a trot and canter at some points.  It wound around pleasantly for a good ways, with a slight incline and eventually reached a branching point. 

The branch appears to have three directions, left, right and straight.  I continued straight and the trail wound along pleasantly.  At one point you ride on sort of a ridge along the side of a hill, it appears to have been cut and then overgrown but with a nice worn path winding along it.  This portion of the trail abruptly ends at a washed out area.  There is a man made water hole (probably a gross stagnant mosquito breeding ground in warm weather) and the general area around it appears to be rocky and probably swampy flooded in the wet spring. 

I did not see a point at which the trail continued from there.  The area is very heavy in leaf litter and with it being a wet area for part of the year, it is highly possible that the trail is hard to follow at this point, and I was simply unable to find it.  There is a bit of a creek bed that angles off to the left, although I didn’t really have interest in pushing my pony to stumble along a dried out rocky creek bed with all the pitfalls being covered in a foot of brown leaves.  There also appeared to be somewhat of a path ahead and slightly to the left heading steeply up.  I did push along it for a shot while but with it being so deep in leaf litter and very unclear if it was the actual trail continuing and not just a deer or other critter path, I decided to call it quits at that point and turned around. 

I returned to the branching point and tried the trail that would have been to my left when riding up the FR, but was now to my right, riding back down it.  It crossed a small berm and headed out on a similarly clear and level trail, that appeared cut and officially placed. After a short way there was another trail that branched to the left, which I will describe in a moment.  Continuing ahead on the trail, it remains a clear cut trail with a well worn and used path, and I continued to see signs of foot and horse traffic.  It winds along for a ways with a few inclines and some levelish areas.  At one point you are on a cut trail, needing a bit of clean up but still well defined, wrapping around the edge of a hill, and you can see the trail you are on continuing to wrap around and eventually turning to run directly parallel  to your current position. 

At about this point you may also notice another clearly cut path, running along the side of the hill but below the trail you are following.  It is very clear and appears man made and used.  but trickles out and appears to dead end a few yards steeply down from your path.  I will have to investigate this mystery path on a future ride.  It will probably require dismounting and sliding down the hill to it or trekking a longer distance through the woods to reach it with less of a decent. 

The trail you are currently on continues and eventually begins a steep climb into deep leaf litter, making a sharp turn right, and climbing.  I stopped at this point, as the trail was hard to follow in the leaves and was very steep and I was not interesting in going back down it later.  I will investigate in the future though. 

I returned along that trail and took the branch from it that is now on my right, but was on my left as I began the trail.  It is also well cut and clear, and travels clearly for a semi short way to what appears to be a clear camping area.  The trail then continues out the other side of the clearing and on down through deep leaves and towards a dry creek.  It is possible that this trail meets up and becomes the mystery trail I have yet to investigate.  It is headed in that direction.  But I had been out for quite a while at this point, and the trail was becoming hard to determine in the low leave and deep leaf litter, so I decided to call it for the day and returned. 

I did not have time to investigate the trail to the right at the main branching point.  and I returned to the main fire road and headed back out to my trailer.  I would suspect that this is the first fire road branch # 536C and it is simply over grown and mostly unused.  I did not see any sign of the gate that is marked on the map, but there were several berms at the starting point.  the FR was quite over grown with young trees and bushes but could have been better maintained in a time of greater economics. 

Simon thinks this might just be a little too much pink.

I will have to return and continue to explore this direction and all the side trails and paths.  and also explore father along the main FR to be certain that this is the first FR branch #536C.  But, at this point, I am pretty certain it is. 

I will state that it baffles me that the Forest Service does not include these trails more clearly on the maps and mark them more prominently in the woods.  These are excellent trails and clearly a lot of man power went into creating them at one time.  It would also be easy to become lost and turned around on all these unmarked trails, and a person with a lesser sense of direction would not even be able to clearly reference a map for assistance.  I am aware that you are allowed to go anywhere in the forest, but are not to create unsanctioned trails.  But since this FR is marked on the map, but not marked in person, it makes determining if this is the actual trail that is sanctioned hard to determine.  I also realize that the Forest Service works with extremely limited resources and have a high and probably difficult chain of command for actions and funding to trickle from.  But it does seem like a bit of a waste of resources to let trails that appear to at one time were well defined to become unmarked and often, unused, trails. 

This has me reflecting on the trail 439 which I navigated a few weeks ago and comment on in post https://blueridgepony.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/bear-trap-exploration/ that previously had nice wooden signs clearly marking both access ends, but which has since then had the signs removed and simple green tree tags put up in their place.  These are much harder to find, and much harder to read, and also provide less information for the forest visitor.  I do not see an advantage to removing the already present and more informative sign in place of a lesser one.  I am sure there is a reason that I just don’t know about.

The Berm controversy

Yep its Berm.  I was discussing this with some coworkers and we had a collective strike of genius and looked on Wikipedia.  Duh. 

It quotes “A berm is a level space, shelf, or raised barrier separating two areas. Berm originates in the Middle Dutch and German berme and came into usage in English via French.”

So hence forth, ‘mounds’ will revert to the proper term of ‘berms’ now that I know how to correctly spell it. 

And FYI – I left a voicemail on Monday for the Forest Service about those fire roads, and today is Thursday.  Still no call back.  I repeated my phone number and name 3 times on the call too, speaking nice and slow and clear, so I really don’t think that is the problem.  Maybe they are out on vacation though.  I’ll try back soon.

Bear Trap Exploration

Bear Trap, Ridge Top exploration

Trail Report: December 18, 2011

On this ride I did some exploration at Bear Trap and took some photos to make things a little clearer.  Its mostly the same ride as the one I did on December 4th and listed here on December 13th. https://blueridgepony.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/trail-report-bear-trap-ridge-top-loop/

Here is a quick shot from the fire road entrance of the parking.  You can see I just pulled over on the side of Bear Trap Rd.

Parking

Hack in along the fire road, barking dogs to the left, and continue to a year round creek crossing.

Then up a slight incline in the fire road and around a few bends to the this spot.  there is a smallish parking spot on the left followed by the trail entrance.

Over some mounts in the start.

And then around some bends and over a few more mounds.

It really could be a fire road, don’t you think?

Or maybe just a wide trail that’s become over grown.

Eventually it comes to a circle that has an old fallen tree in it.

There is a very over grown trail to the left that I haven’t really tried to go more than a little ways on.  its just too over grown.

And there is a trail to the right, that’s very fire road like.  but it is hard to access because of the large mound with low hanging branches over it.

Or you can head straight over the big mounds and up the mountain.

Closer up to the mounds

It gets steeper and steeper as you go.

At the top the trail comes to a T on the ridge top.

The tree is marked with a spray paint line visible when reversing the ride and making a left to go down the mountain.

Some one piled up some marker sticks to help prevent missing the turn.

It would be really easy to miss from the top.  Usually I go right, but this time I went left to see what there is to see.  It is not as used and it’s a bit more over grown.  There are two really nice look out points.

Simon took a break and got in a good scratch on some trees while me and the dogs climbed up on the first one for a quick look around.

The second lookout point is a large rock pile.  The trail goes straight over it, but there is a less distinguished trail that passes below it.

A little farther on I called it quits.  The trail had become more and more over grown and eventually ended at what would be  a nice camp spot.  There was a smallish rock set up ornamental style.

I headed back to where I came up the mountain and headed straight ahead (which is where I would normally would have gone). I passed some sights like these branch square things.

Eventually the trail pops out on the fire road.  Here is what the trail looks like from the fire road.

Just a super short ride on the fire road brings you to the next bend (left) and a trail on the right.

It seems they have replaced the previous wooden sign with this little green tree tag.

And yellow blazes along the trail

Ride down the hill for a while.  And eventually hit the fire road again.  The wooden sign also appears to have been removed from this end and replaced with a green tree tag.

And then back out to Bear Trap road and head on home.